Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:21:59 -0800
From: Abel Weinrib <AWeinrib@ibeam.jf.intel.com>
Subject: Minutes for IAB face-face meeting

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MINUTES FOR DECEMBER 10, 1996 IAB MEETING, SAN JOSE

PRESENT:
Fred Baker
Steve Bellovin
Brian Carpenter
Jon Crowcroft
Robert Elz
Elise Gerich
Erik Huizer
John Klensin
Allison Mankin
Robert Moskowitz
Radia Perlman
Jon Postel
Yakov Rekhter
Chris Weider
Abel Weinrib

Allyn Romanow
Frank Kastenholz

NEXT MEETING:
Teleconference Tuesday January 14, 10-12 Eastern Time.

NEW ACTION ITEMS:
* Jon Crowcroft:  Review IPPM, int-serv mechanisms, routing arbiter, etc.
from the perspective of providing end-to-end quality service across
multiple providers.
* Radia Perlman:  Send first draft of "what should be in a protocol"
document to mailing list.
* Fred Baker:  Arrange with Steve Coya to send BOF charters to the iab list
in advance of IETF meetings.

OLD ACTION ITEMS:
* Chris Weider:  "Assigned numbers should be available from an online
dictionary"--figure out what to do.
* Brian Carpenter:  Get relevant ISO standards documents (e.g., 10646)
available to the IETF community online.
* Brian Carpenter:  Get Bob Hinden (or someone else) to produce a document
articulating the technical value of IPv6 beyond large addresses.

1. Year 2000 (Erik).
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Negative press in Holland implying that the millennia problem would bring
down the Internet...  

Erik suggests that we proactively document the problems and lack of
problems we expect in an informational RFC.  Will hold a BOF on this topic
at the Memphis meeting.
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2. Larger model embracing int-serv/rsvp/issll/qosr/mmusic/avt
   (Jon Crowcroft).
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Jon presented some preliminary ideas on how to encourage Internet service
providers to work together to provide good end-to-end service to their
customers.  Currently, we have something of a "tragedy of the commons,"
where there is little incentive for ISPs to ensure that the entire Internet
provides adequate service, and the situation is getting worse.

To help alleviate these problems, one could establish that buying Internet
service from a supplier has an implied reservation of some sort for your
traffic to part or all of the Internet.  If the provider does not give you
the agreed upon service, you should get your money back.  To enable such an
approach, tools are needed that would allow end-users to measure what
service they are getting (e.g., from IPPM working group).  Such
measurements would be used by end-users to negotiate service level
agreements with their ISP; the agreements would provide financial
incentives for the ISPs to work together to guarantee end-to-end service.
The ISPs would provide the required service level not by implementing
per-stream guarantees, but rather by negotiating aggregate service levels
among themselves.

This approach is similar to thinking about providing QOS in a scalable way
even within a single ISP's domain.  Customers could use RSVP at the edges
of the network to signal to edge routers that a stream requires special
treatment, and then the ISP could use tunnels, priorities or other
techniques within the network to give appropriate service to the aggregated
streams.

It was observed that we are already seeing bilateral connections between
the larger providers, thus providing better service quality to their mutual
customers, but leaving out smaller providers that have to connect through
the (congested) public interconnect points.
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3. What it is good to include in a protocol spec. (Radia)
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Radia presented an initial list to the group, which led into a
brainstorming discussion.  She will send a first-pass document to the IAB
mailing list.

Goal is a draft document before, and a presentation at, the Memphis IETF.
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4. IAB oversight of BOFs. (Erik)
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BOFs are an important forum for new work being brought to the IETF.  It was
generally agreed that the IAB ought to get more involved in participating
in and guiding BOFs.  The IESG is already requiring more detailed charters
for BOFs--these will be sent to the IAB so that we can get a heads up on
them.  Then, we will work to explicitly assign IAB members to cover the
BOFs from an architectural perspective.
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5. How to handle policy discussions (subtext: how to avoid
   the IAB spending time on policy rather than architecture).
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After discussion it was agreed that draft IANA documents, or IANA-related
issues requiring the development of such documents, would in future be
reviewed by the IAB, with invited participation of relevant area directors.
 Four possible outcomes:
1. Submission published as IANA document.
2. Publish as an ID with a last call, then publish.
3. IAB negotiates with the IESG to form a working group in the IETF to
study the submission in more detail.
4. Reject.

For more general policy issues on which the IAB needs to advise the ISOC,
the IAB could create a standing subcommittee of the IAB including IAB and
non-IAB members to consider policy issues; alternatively, the IAB could
form a subcommittee for each policy question as it arises. The second
alternative was preferred.

The IAB agreed that all of these procedures fall within its charter under
RFC 1601.
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Future Meetings
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Regular teleconference second Tuesday of the month at 10:00 AM Eastern Time.
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These minutes were prepared by Abel Weinrib, weinrib@intel.com.  An online
copy of these and other minutes are available at ftp://ftp.isi.edu:pub/IAB.
Also, visit the IAB Web page at http://www.iab.org/iab.

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