UKTeX V89 #02 Friday 13 January 1989
itemised lists in SliTeX
more errata; corrections to TEX82.BUG and CM changes, etc.
Re: more errata; corrections to TEX82.BUG and CM changes, etc.
Including whole files in a LaTeX document
In going from Janet to Bitnet and curly brackets.
Raw TeX: staticisation of fonts
Preview
PSPRINT
WEB-like system for FORTRAN?
LaTeX for PS/2
merging MF fonts with PostScript fonts
re: merging MF fonts with PostScript fonts
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From: David Osborne <cczdao@uk.ac.nott.clan>
To: UKTeX@uk.ac.aston
Subject: itemised lists in SliTeX
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i've just been using SliTeX to prepare some slides for a talk
and have a problem with missing item markers in itemised lists...
most of the slides take the form
\begin{slide}{}
\begin{center}
{\Large\bf INTRODUCTION}
\end{center}
\begin{list}{$\bullet$}
\item What is \TeX?
\item What is the Plain format?
\item What \TeX\ is and isn't
\item WYSIWYG versus Mark-up
\end{list}
\end{slide}
but, when printed, the \bullet from the second item is missing.
sometimes it mysteriously makes its appearance prefixed to the
centered heading of the next slide. a couple of slides have items
which themselves contain itemised lists (using $\circ$ as a marker)
and the first items in these lists lose their markers, too.
"top-level" items following one of these second-level lists seem to
lose their markers.
what am i doing wrong?
(it must be me... i'm not usually a LaTeXer, preferring the Plain truth)
should i use a different method for constructing the lists?
other details:
i'm using SliTeX (splain) version 2.09, 11/22/85
slides.sty released 17 January 1986
and TeX, C version 2.93
(the talk's on Monday morning, so it's out with the Rotring and SnoPake now!)
dave.
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received.
W.r.t. Microsoft C comment. I suspect your code looks something
like:
{
char c;
while ((c = getchar()) != EOF)
do_something(c);
}
This should be
{
int c;
while ((c = getchar()) != EOF)
do_something(c);
}
(note the type change). If that still doesn't work, the really
correct way is
{
int c;
while (((c = getchar()) != EOF) && !feof(stdin))
do_something(c);
}
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From: Colin Walls <ctw@uk.ac.umist.cns>
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Subject: Including whole files in a LaTeX document
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Date: Mon, 9 Jan 89 10:19:01 BST
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We are currently producing documentation which will include examples
of working source code. Does anyone have a set of LaTeX macros which
will enable one to include the source code file in \tt font without
having to make amendments to the source code at all.
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In reply to John Carrol's question, the problem with "wrong" curly brackets
(as well as, at least in Italy, hat accent and wiggle) the way out we found
is simply to have a program which reads the "wrong" characters and converts
them in the "right" ascii codes.
Such a program was submitted in a past UKtex; beware that it arrived in
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PS: symbols which are upset
{ left curly bracket
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Date: 10-JAN-1989 16:37:51 GMT
From: CHAA006@UK.AC.RHBNC.VAXB
To: Info-TeX@UK.AC.ASTON
Subject: Raw TeX: staticisation of fonts
Sender: JANET"CHAA006@UK.AC.RHBNC.VAXB" <CHAA006@UK.AC.RHBNC.VAXB>
Reply-to: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) <P.Taylor@Uk.Ac.Rhbnc.Vaxb>
Originally-to: $UK-TEX,$TEX-HAX
Mailer: Janet_Mailshr V3.3 (14-Dec-1988)
Exactly {\it when\/} does the staticisation of fonts take place ? The \TeX book
on page 153 explains that in an example such as
$ \textfont0 = \tenrm 9 \textfont0 = \Helvetica 9 $
both "9"s will be set in font \Helvetica, since \textfont0 is \Helvetica at the
end of the formula. However, \Helvetica is a font-selector, not a font name,
and a further level of dereferencing/staticisation is required before the actual
font can be determined.
Let me explain the problem: I have a preamble which defines (among others)
fonts \tenrm and \sevenrm as being "psmtimr" and "psmtimr at 7pt" respectively;
"psmtimr" is a PostScript Times-Roman font. My normal running text, (which is
explicitly preceded by a \rm) is set in "psmtimr" as I expected, but a fraction
(${1 \over 6}$) is set in "cmr7". This is true for both ArborText's $\mu$ \TeX
V2.93 and for Wayne Sullivan's SB(08)TeX, V2.93. The only way around this
problem is to repeat, as part of the preamble, the section of Plain.TeX which
says "\scriptfont0 = \sevenrm", {\it after\/} the font definition which says
"\font \sevenrm = psmtimr at 7pt",
This is distinctly counter-intuitive, and I am almost prepared to suggest,
wrong, particularly as chasing back through the definitions using \message
{\the \scriptfont0 \meaning \sevenrm} shews exactly the same situation obtaining
before and after the assignment to \scriptfont0.
Here is a simple test program, the resulting log file, and the output from
DVITYPE; the actual glyphs set are from "cmr7" for the left fraction, and from
"psmtimr at 7 pt" for the right.
** Phil.
\def \debug {\message {\the \scriptfont0 \meaning \sevenrm}}
\font \tenrm = psmtimr
\font \sevenrm = psmtimr at 7 pt
\rm
Left part
\debug
${1 \over 6}$
\scriptfont0 = \sevenrm
\debug
${1 \over 6}$
right part
\end
This is TeX, TeXpress Version 2.93 (preloaded format=plain 88.12.21) 10 JAN 1989 16:23
**test
(c:\typeset\linotron\test.tex \sevenrm select font psmtimr at 7.0pt
\sevenrm select font psmtimr at 7.0pt [1]
Output written on c:\typeset\linotron\test.dvi (1 page, 1024 bytes).
This is DVItype, PC-DOS Version 2.8
Options selected:
Starting page = *
Maximum number of pages = 1000000
Output level = 3 (the works)
Resolution = 300.00 pixels per inch
numerator/denominator=25400000/473628672
magnification=1000; 0.00006334 pixels per DVI unit
' TeX output 1989.01.10:1623'
Postamble starts at byte 302.
maxv=43725786, maxh=30785863, maxstackdepth=6, totalpages=1
Font 51: psmtimr---loaded at size 458752 DVI units
(this font is magnified 70%)
Font 50: psmtimr---loaded at size 655360 DVI units
Font 3: cmr7---loaded at size 458752 DVI units
42: beginning of page 1
87: push
level 0:(h=0,v=0,w=0,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=0,vv=0)
88: down3 -917504 v:=0-917504=-917504, vv:=-58
92: pop
level 0:(h=0,v=0,w=0,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=0,vv=0)
93: down4 42152922 v:=0+42152922=42152922, vv:=2670
98: push
level 0:(h=0,v=42152922,w=0,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=0,vv=2670)
99: down4 -41497562 v:=42152922-41497562=655360, vv:=42
104: push
level 1:(h=0,v=655360,w=0,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=0,vv=42)
105: right3 1310720 h:=0+1310720=1310720, hh:=83
[ ]
109: fntdef1 50: psmtimr
132: fntnum50 current font is psmtimr
133: setchar76 h:=1310720+400425=1711145, hh:=108
134: setchar101 h:=1711145+290980=2002125, hh:=126
135: setchar102 h:=2002125+218235=2220360, hh:=140
136: setchar116 h:=2220360+182190=2402550, hh:=152
137: w3 218431 h:=2402550+218431=2620981, hh:=166
141: setchar112 h:=2620981+327680=2948661, hh:=187
142: setchar97 h:=2948661+290980=3239641, hh:=205
143: setchar114 h:=3239641+218235=3457876, hh:=219
144: setchar116 h:=3457876+182190=3640066, hh:=231
[Left part]
145: push
level 2:(h=3640066,v=655360,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=42)
146: push
level 3:(h=3640066,v=655360,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=42)
147: push
level 4:(h=3640066,v=655360,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=42)
148: down3 -258036 v:=655360-258036=397324, vv:=26
152: push
level 5:(h=3640066,v=397324,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=26)
153: right3 297074 h:=3640066+297074=3937140, hh:=249
[ ]
157: fntdef1 3: cmr7
177: fntnum3 current font is cmr7
178: setchar49 h:=3937140+261235=4198375, hh:=266
[1]
179: pop
level 5:(h=3640066,v=397324,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=26)
180: right3 297074 h:=3640066+297074=3937140, hh:=249
[ ]
184: down3 107302 v:=397324+107302=504626, vv:=33
188: putrule height 26213, width 261235 (2x17 pixels)
197: down3 376728 v:=504626+376728=881354, vv:=57
201: push
level 5:(h=3937140,v=881354,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=249,vv=57)
202: setchar54 h:=3937140+261235=4198375, hh:=266
[6]
203: pop
level 5:(h=3937140,v=881354,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=249,vv=57)
204: pop
level 4:(h=3640066,v=655360,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=42)
205: pop
level 3:(h=3640066,v=655360,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=42)
206: pop
level 2:(h=3640066,v=655360,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=42)
207: push
level 2:(h=3640066,v=655360,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=42)
208: push
level 3:(h=3640066,v=655360,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=42)
209: push
level 4:(h=3640066,v=655360,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=42)
210: down3 -258036 v:=655360-258036=397324, vv:=26
214: push
level 5:(h=3640066,v=397324,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=26)
215: right3 934026 h:=3640066+934026=4574092, hh:=290
[ ]
219: fntdef1 51: psmtimr
242: fntnum51 current font is psmtimr
243: setchar49 h:=4574092+229376=4803468, hh:=305
[1]
244: pop
level 5:(h=3640066,v=397324,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=26)
245: right3 934026 h:=3640066+934026=4574092, hh:=290
[ ]
249: down3 107302 v:=397324+107302=504626, vv:=33
253: putrule height 26213, width 229376 (2x15 pixels)
262: down3 376728 v:=504626+376728=881354, vv:=57
266: push
level 5:(h=4574092,v=881354,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=290,vv=57)
267: setchar54 h:=4574092+229376=4803468, hh:=305
[6]
268: pop
level 5:(h=4574092,v=881354,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=290,vv=57)
269: pop
level 4:(h=3640066,v=655360,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=42)
270: pop
level 3:(h=3640066,v=655360,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=42)
271: pop
level 2:(h=3640066,v=655360,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=42)
272: right3 1460476 h:=3640066+1460476=5100542, hh:=323
[ ]
276: fntnum50 current font is psmtimr
277: setchar114 h:=5100542+218235=5318777, hh:=337
278: setchar105 h:=5318777+182190=5500967, hh:=349
279: setchar103 h:=5500967+327680=5828647, hh:=370
280: setchar104 h:=5828647+327680=6156327, hh:=391
281: setchar116 h:=6156327+182190=6338517, hh:=403
282: w0 218431 h:=6338517+218431=6556948, hh:=415
283: setchar112 h:=6556948+327680=6884628, hh:=436
284: setchar97 h:=6884628+290980=7175608, hh:=454
285: setchar114 h:=7175608+218235=7393843, hh:=468
286: setchar116 h:=7393843+182190=7576033, hh:=480
[right part]
287: pop
level 1:(h=0,v=655360,w=0,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=0,vv=42)
288: pop
level 0:(h=0,v=42152922,w=0,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=0,vv=2670)
289: down3 1572864 v:=42152922+1572864=43725786, vv:=2770
293: push
level 0:(h=0,v=43725786,w=0,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=0,vv=2770)
294: right4 15229440 h:=0+15229440=15229440, hh:=965
299: setchar49 h:=15229440+327680=15557120, hh:=986
[ 1]
300: pop
level 0:(h=0,v=43725786,w=0,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=0,vv=2770)
301: eop
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From: Mrs.F.A.Leech <fanny@uk.ac.lancaster.central1>
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 89 10:31:48 GMT
Message-Id: <12818.8901111031@uk.ac.lancaster.central1>
To: ABBOTTP@UK.AC.ASTON
Subject: Preview
Dear Peter,
We have TeX up and running, and are now interrested in the 'Preview'
facility for Unix machines. I would be most grateful if you could
tell me if there is one for Unix version 4.2/3BSD.
Fanny
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Date: 6-JAN-1989 12:23:13 GMT
From: MARTIN@UK.AC.ULCC.NCDLAB
To: p.abbott@UK.AC.ASTON
Subject: PSPRINT
Sender: Janet"M.Powell@Uk.ac.ulcc.bunny" <martin@uk.ac.ulcc.bunny>
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HELP !
Will Hossack is using PSPRINT to convert from TeX source into PostScript.
when we try to print the file on the Linotronic 300 it gets a VMerror part
way through the second page (I suspect it is running out of memory).
Is there any way of telling PSPRINT how much memory is available in the
Linotronic?
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From: Dave Love <FX@UK.AC.DARESBURY.NNGA>
To: texhax%cs.washington.edu@earn-relay
Cc: uktex@aston
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 89 12:11 GMT
Subject: WEB-like system for FORTRAN?
Message-Id: <12 JAN 1989 12:11:23 FX@UK.AC.DARESBURY.NNGA>
A year or so ago there was a query in TeXhax that went unanswered
seeking information on any systems (being) developed for Literate
Programming in FORTRAN, along the lines of WEB. Can I repeat the
question -- anyone know of such a beast or like to offer thoughts on how
difficult it would be to do? (This is not a request for
WEB-to-FORTRAN!)
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Date: Thu, 12 Jan 89 15:49:24 GMT
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To: abbottp@uk.ac.aston
Subject: LaTeX for PS/2
Cc: david@uk.ac.leeds.dcs
Peter
Please could you tell me if there is a PS/2 (running DOS) version of LaTeX;
and how I could get hold of a copy.
Many thanks, David Harkess
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From: Ralph Youngen <REY@com.ams.vax01>
Subject: merging MF fonts with PostScript fonts
To: info-tex <info-tex%uk.ac.aston@uk.ac.ucl.cs.nss>
Cc: mario <mario%uk.ac.manchester.computer-science.research7@uk.ac.ucl.cs.nss>,
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This message is really a response to part c) of Mario Wolczko's message
of Sat, 10-Dec-88, subject: PostScript metrics.
== >c) What do other people think about how the relationship between an
== >Adobe font layout and a TeX font layout should be managed?
== For PSLaTeX, the easiest way was to use Adobe encodings. Personally,
== I feel that PostSscript will live for a long time, and have my doubts
== as to the longevity of CMR outside of the AMS. Its only real
== advantage is the careful design given to the math fonts. Most
== publishers that I have spoken to hate CMR, especially when laser
== printed, any many books are now produced using camera-ready copy from
== laser printers. Not nice, maybe, but that's the way it is. Also, the
== commercial pressures to use PostScript fonts are increasing as its use
== becomes more widespread. Despite DEK's best efforts, METAFONT has
== been largely ignored. Hence, I would choose use the PS encodings on
== these grounds as well. The only problem occurs if you choose to mix
== CMR and Adobe fonts in the same document (which is dubious practice
== anyway).
Mixing Adobe fonts with CMR (actually any Metafont fonts) is not a dubious
practice in my mind at all. Aside from AMS, there are many other publishers
of technical material who would be absolutely unable to publish their works
using the current complement of PostScript fonts only. There simply aren't
PostScript versions of the many mathematical symbols that occur frequently in
mathematical material. Lucida will help to overcome this deficiency, but it
will certainly not be a complete cure, as mathematicians like to create new
symbols on a nearly daily basis. (Has anyone heard of an expected release
date for Lucida??)
It is my belief that Metafont will not drop by the wayside in the next few
years. To my knowledge, it is the only readily available, professional
quality character generator in the public domain. Anyone can use MF to
create their own symbols/logos, and a perfectly suitable step from there
would be to merge this new MF symbol with your current production environment
(be it PostScript fonts or fonts from another vendor).
This idea is already in practice at AMS. We currently only use CMR fonts for
producing the mathematics in our books and journals. Specifically, the only
CMR font that we use on a steady basis is CMSY. In 1987 we purchased an
Autologic APS Micro-5. Sometime later a decision was made to use Autologic's
Times fonts for the text of our books and journals, and merge various MF fonts
with these Autologic fonts. The project has worked quite well, and if you pick
up any of our recent publications you'll see Times text (roman, bold, italic),
Times Math Italic (with spacing alterations similar to the difference between
cmti and cmmi), CMSY for the math symbols, and other MF fonts (Euler: EUFM, AMS
Extra symbols: MSXM, MSYM to name a few).
Merging MF fonts with PostScript fonts seems just as natural a progression for
those publishers of technical materials who want access to the PostScript font
library. In running Textures on the Macintosh, for example, it is quite
possible to use PostScript fonts for display fonts (titles, headlines, etc.)
and compose the rest of the document with CM. You could then output such a
document on an Apple LaserWriter. However, I must confess I don't know of a
typesetter that could currently handle a document with both kinds of fonts,
without Metafont'ing the necessary CM fonts at the typesetter's high resolution
and downloading the bitmaps. Has anyone done this for a Linotronic, for
example?
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American Mathematical Society
201 Charles Street
Providence, RI USA
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From: Mario Wolczko <mario@uk.ac.man.cs.r7>
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Date: Fri,13 Jan 11:41:48 1989
Cc: REY@com.ams.vax01
To: info-tex@uk.ac.aston
Subject: re: merging MF fonts with PostScript fonts
> Mixing Adobe fonts with CMR (actually any Metafont fonts) is not a dubious
> practice in my mind at all. Aside from AMS, there are many other publishers
> of technical material who would be absolutely unable to publish their works
> using the current complement of PostScript fonts only. There simply aren't
> PostScript versions of the many mathematical symbols that occur frequently in
> mathematical material. Lucida will help to overcome this deficiency, but it
> will certainly not be a complete cure, as mathematicians like to create new
> symbols on a nearly daily basis. (Has anyone heard of an expected release
> date for Lucida??)
I think I did not make myself clear. I have no objection to the use
of CM symbols within formulas. As you say, without the CM symbols,
there are many forms of mathematics that cannot be set. Indeed, this
is how PS-LaTeX works. Until somebody comes up with the CM symbols in
PostScript fonts, CMSY and CMEX will remain in use. What I suggest as
dubious is the use of both CM and PS fonts as text fonts. For
example, CM italic is hardly a sensible emphasis font within Times.
> It is my belief that Metafont will not drop by the wayside in the next few
> years. To my knowledge, it is the only readily available, professional
> quality character generator in the public domain. Anyone can use MF to
> create their own symbols/logos, and a perfectly suitable step from there
> would be to merge this new MF symbol with your current production environment
> (be it PostScript fonts or fonts from another vendor).
The question is: was Metafont ever in the mainstream? Yes, it does
quality character generation, and yes it is PD. But what's the demand
for such a tool? How many people in the world are trained to do font
design? Very few, I suspect. Unless there's a large number of
amateur font designers out there, I would guess that most of them do
font design for a living, and paying for a package is unlikely to be a
large overhead. Also, they'll want their fonts to reach as wide an
audience as possible, and I'm suggesting that PostScript is more
likely to be their chosen medium.
What does Metafont give you that other systems don't? Only the "meta"
nature distinguishes it from other systems. Therefore, I think it has
no advantages for symbol or logo creation ... who designs meta-symbols
and meta-logos? Personally, I would find it much more immediate and
effective to design a logo or symbol with an interactive WYSIWYG
graphic editor. Further, if such an editor generated a PostScript
description, I could use that symbol in many more applications than if
it were in a GF file.
> This idea is already in practice at AMS. We currently only use CMR fonts for
> producing the mathematics in our books and journals. Specifically, the only
> CMR font that we use on a steady basis is CMSY. In 1987 we purchased an
> Autologic APS Micro-5. Sometime later a decision was made to use Autologic's
> Times fonts for the text of our books and journals, and merge various MF fonts
> with these Autologic fonts. The project has worked quite well, and if you pick
> up any of our recent publications you'll see Times text (roman, bold, italic),
> Times Math Italic (with spacing alterations similar to the difference between
> cmti and cmmi), CMSY for the math symbols, and other MF fonts (Euler: EUFM, AMS
> Extra symbols: MSXM, MSYM to name a few).
I think you have proved my point! Why don't you use CMR as the text
font? My guess is either: (a) you think Times looks better, or (b)
using Times is much more convenient (no downloading of enormous
bitmaps). [As an aside: do have MSXM and MSYM at typesetter
resolutions? I'm looking for 1270dpi versions of these at the
moment.]
> However, I must confess I don't know of a
> typesetter that could currently handle a document with both kinds of fonts,
> without Metafont'ing the necessary CM fonts at the typesetter's high resolution
> and downloading the bitmaps. Has anyone done this for a Linotronic, for
> example?
This is exactly what I'll be trying to do in the next few months:
print books in Times with CMSY and MS[XY]M symbols on a Linotronic.
I'll let you know how I fare.
Mario Wolczko
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From: David Osborne <cczdao@uk.ac.nott.clan>
To: UKTeX@uk.ac.aston, TeXhax%edu.washington.cs@uk.ac.earn-relay
Subject: K-Talk's "Publishing Companion"
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we're just in the process of standardising on WordPerfect as a PC
word-processor and an order has been placed for K-Talk's "Publishing
Companion" (see advertisements in most issues of TUGboat), which
claims to ease foreign-language and equation input, and, most
importantly, to translate WordPerfect output to TeX.
there's an article in the latest TUGboat which announces a report
produced at the Rijksuniversiteit Gronigen on just this subject but
i'd appreciate some more immediate feedback. has anyone who has used
WordPerfect and Publishing Companion any comments to offer, please?
dave.
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