UKTeX V89 #24 Friday 30 June 1989
Acorn ACW lives :-)
SBTeX
Font selection in LaTeX
previewer for DECWindows
Refer to BIB conversion
Spirits and Hacks
Re: USERID's in Return Address for Aston Mail Server
TeX for IBM RT 6150
TeX & LATeX for VAX VMS version 5 ...
RE: UKTeX V89 #23
texserver return path
Re: Graphics in TeX
OzTeX 1.1
RE: Exabyte tape
Syntax diagrams in Tex and Latex
Beebes DVIJEP and Site Licence for PC-TeX
Interpress
Euro-TeX Digest --- Issue
Editor Peter Abbott
Latest TeXhax in the Archive is #57
Latest TeXmag in the Archive is V3N3
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Date: 23 Jun 89 16:23:54 bst
From: G.Toal @ uk.ac.edinburgh
Subject: Acorn ACW lives :-)
Message-ID: <23 Jun 89 16:23:54 bst 050582@EMAS-A>
Fraser Dickin was looking for a port of TeX to the Acorn Cambridge Workstation.
I have one from *long* ago which he can have if he mails me. He may find
it worth rebuilding from my change files and newer sources from the archives.
Graham.
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From: Tsong-Min Wu <NTUT019@EARN.TWNMOE10>
Subject: SBTeX
Hi,
I hope someone will help me on this.
I desperately need to get hold of a copy of SBTeX which runs on
IBM-PC compatible machines. I have tried to get the file from
the archive in ASTON. Unfortunately, due to some severe
limitations on the gateway (?), I was not able to do it.
I am on BITNET. So if you happen to be in BITNET, and happen
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I REALLY appreciate you help!
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From: "Rainer M. Schoepf" <SCHOEPF@DE.UNI-MAINZ.PHYSIK.VIPMZL>
Subject: Font selection in LaTeX
X-VMS-To: IN"info-tex@aston.ac.uk",SCHOEPF
To whom it may concern!
In recent TeXhax several people have asked how to change the
font selection mechanism of LaTeX to be more flexible, e.g.,
to typeset the whole document in a sans serif typeface, with \bf
switching to sans serif bold, \it or \em to sans serif italic,
using the Euler fonts or DEK's concrete roman family, etc.
We have implemented such a scheme which will be published in the
forthcoming issue of TUGboat. This scheme is not limited to
LaTeX, although we do not provide an interface to other macro packages
yet.
Characteristics:
- Space requirements of about the same size as the original
lfonts.tex
- Takes about the same time to switch fonts as standard LaTeX
- Preloaded and load-on-demand fonts are treated exactly the
same way, even in math mode
We are planning to make the relevant files available at the usual
places (Clarkson, etc.) in the near future. Interested parties
(i.e. server managers) should contact us and specify which format
they prefer (BITNET file transfer, UNIX or VMS shell archives).
The code is documented with the `doc' option developed at Mainz,
(cf. TUGboat) which will be distributed via the same channels.
Frank Mittelbach
Rainer Sch\"opf
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From: Sebastian Rahtz <spqr@uk.ac.soton.ecs>
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 89 10:47:30 BST
Message-Id: <28226.8906260947@hilliard.ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Subject: previewer for DECWindows
a version of the X Windows previewer, xdvi, tailored for use with
DEC Windows has been received, and installed in
[tex-archive.drivers.xdvi.decwindows]
There are two files called
xdvi.part1
xdvi.part2
which are VMS ascii archives. Since these files are only of use
to DEC sites, it seems easiest to leave them as archives for the
present.
Sebastian Rahtz
pp archive working party
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From: Sebastian Rahtz <spqr@uk.ac.soton.ecs>
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 89 10:50:02 BST
Message-Id: <28238.8906260950@hilliard.ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Subject: Refer to BIB conversion
Peter King's `ref2bib' conversion program from Unix refer databases
to BibTeX format is installed in the latest version as
[tex-archive.bibtex.utils]ref2bib
[tex-archive.bibtex.utils]ref2bib.1 (Unix MAN page)
The program is a shell script, and therefore only of use to Unix
sites. But then who else but they would have refer format databases?
Recommended over Rusty Wright's `r2bib' program.
Sebastian Rahtz
pp archive working part
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 89 13:18:44
From: Mike Piff <PM1MJP @ SHEFFIELD.PRIMEA>
Subject: Spirits and Hacks
Sebastian Rahtz says
To say that TeX
encourages hackery and obscure programming may be true, but that does
not mean that it enforces it.
I quite agree with the statement that TeX encourages hackery and obscurity.
Indeed, if you want to do anything at all unusual, such as put an index at the
end of a book, or shift solutions to problems into an appendix (!!) it would
seem that trickery is the only way to do it. TeX does not provide any other
means to achieve your goal. The most basic structures, such as loops, repeat,
while, procedures with proper parameter passing, etc, are completely absent.
OK, so Plain TeX provides a \loop structure which sometimes works, but even
this fails when the body of the loop ends a group. Try writing a macro to
descend from level $p$ of a nested enumeration to level $q$ using \loop, and
you will see what I mean.
Then take TeX' \if... structures. All very useful, but wouldn't it be more
pleasant if the condition checked was always a boolean one? This does seem to
be a convention adhered to in most other languages.
By well-known mathematical theorems, anything which can be computed using an
unstructured language can be computed using a structured one. As TeX is merely
a program which takes the text of your document as input and produces the DVI
file as output, it would seem that it should be possible to apply these results
to typesetting. Although typesetting appears at first sight to be a different
sort of job to calculating solutions of differential equations, mathematically
they are one and the same.
not just possible that he ENJOYED having TeX the way it
is? Otherwise, I am sure he would have written LaTeX instead.
I hope not. TeX is a typesetting language, LaTeX is a markup language
implemented in TeX - life would be dismal if all we had was the
facilities in Lamport's index
I was not implying that Knuth would only have designed the facilities in
Lamport's index, sorry if that was obscure! I was merely trying to say, not
very well, I'm afraid, that the style of TeX might have been rather different
if Knuth had designed it in a structured way. I thought that the style of
LaTeX was more like what could have been expected, with its heavy use of
\begin...\end blocks and its more consistent use of `procedures' to do
things---Lamport's `commands'. I believe strongly that the structure of a
language should be such as will suggest a method of solving any problem
presented to it. I am aware from encounters with student projects that it is
possible to write unstructured Pascal programs, but these are only produced by
novices, and the style of their efforts usually improves rapidly with practice.
Using TeX, I should imagine that the reverse happens. When we start, we are
not too ambitious, and are fascinated and satisfied by the way TeX can arrange
our words and mathematics on the page. But then, as we progress, we find that
the only way to get something to work is to botch some
\def\h@ck{\expandafter\csn@me\t@ken} rather than work with some procedure to
process the next bit of text. If you work with macros, I guess that is the
sort of mess you can expect. Does anybody out there know why Knuth chose to
work with macros?
If you read as far as page 120 of Fundamental Algorithms, The Art of Computer
Programming Vol1, you will find a description of a hypothetical machine
language called MIX. The description stops at page 160. All the computing
examples are done in MIX. My book is dated 1973, reprinted 1978.
Malcolm Clark writes
mike piff tilts at a few windmills.
Since I started receiving UKTeX on the IBM rather than the Prime, because of my
meagre filestore allocation on the latter, I seem to be getting a lot of e e
cummings type character code errors. Is this part of the Aston computer
problems? Or perhaps someone is trying to fool the tiny brain of our 3083.
Anyway, to get back to the point made, you will recall that the one who used to
`tilt at windmills' was called Don. Poor Don was ridiculed for being outdated,
and for thinking he was a knight, in an age long after the age of chivalry.
Presumably, today Quixote would have been complaining about these newfangled
`structured' ideas, and harking back to the days when you wrote everything in
machine code---far more enjoyable, that, and you were a law unto yourself in
those days. None of these formal restrictions on your freedom we impose now.
Leave it to the knight's honour, and all will be well. Don't quite see the
comparison, somehow. Does it have something to do with Sheffield's River Don?
some
of Knuth's solutions seem elegant in the extreme (and some just plain
arcane).
Perhaps they would not have needed to be quite so elegant or arcane in a better
typesetting language.
it comes as no real surprise to me that programming text is not
quite the same as programming in modula-2 or pascal.
Funnily enough, it comes as quite a surprise to me that programming text is ANY
different to programming anything else, apart from the complications of not
getting your text and instructions mixed up. See previous comments.
i also agree with sebastian about mohammed ullah's
spiritual error. the fact that Knuth changes catcodes does not actually
mean that we should all go out an change them will-nilly. after all, Knuth
knew what he was doing.
So TeX suggested to two experts that the solution would be to change catcodes
will-nilly, whoever he is? What lessons are to be drawn about TeX?
And: somewhere, Knuth makes the comment that he saw
TeX as a low level language, which he did not expect people to program in:
he expected others to write macro packages which sat on top (like leslie
lamport and mike spivak, inter alia).
Fair enough, till you meet something which you are not allowed to do in LaTeX
or AMSTeX, which is pretty soon with the latter! Then, you come back to
exactly the same problem as Mohammed Ullah had, when he tried to do something
which was perfectly natural to him, and thought would save him a lot of time.
He was then faced with learning to program in TeX, and to get the windmill(?)
to turn the way he wanted it to turn. The obvious solution failed, because he
had not fully understood the way macros are defined. Is he supposed to belive
that the TeX `tail' should wag his `dog' problem, and that it is not really on
to do things the way he wants, because he might upset a rather fragile TeX
spirit? And again, we are back to what this `spirit' is. Is it the spirit
that someone else should write macro packages for you, and, if so, who? If the
existing packages have shortcomings, do you just give up what you wanted to do
or try to hack your way round those shortcomings, the way only TeX can?
Suggestion for the spirit of TeX:
If you can't do it in LaTeX or AMSTeX, then type it all in by hand.
Otherwise, spend six months studying TeX and then hack it.
And, boy, will the hacking be fun!
Comments?
Mike Piff.
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From: peter@uk.co.memex (Peter Ilieve)
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Subject: Re: USERID's in Return Address for Aston Mail Server
Steve Schwartz <sjs@uk.ac.qmc.maths> says he has trouble with the
mail server, cured by putting the username in the return address
in capitals.
I have not had this problem, it seems quite happy to return things
to me at "peter@uk.co.memex".
I don't know about JANET, but RFC822, which specifies the form of Internet
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It seems some mailer between Aston and QMC is not doing him any favours.
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From: Martin Ward <martin@uk.ac.durham.easby>
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 89 14:30:13 BST
Message-Id: <19949.8906261330@easby.durham.ac.uk>
Subject: TeX for IBM RT 6150
Does anyone have a version of TeX for the IBM PC-RT 6150?
Martin (martin@uk.ac.dur.easby)
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Date: 23-JUN-1989 16:09:28 GMT
From: PJH1@UK.AC.YORK.VAXA
Subject: TeX & LATeX for VAX VMS version 5 ...
Peter,
Can you tell me where / who can supply versions of TeX, LATeX and
PostScript DVI interface for VMS version 5?
Thanks,
Peter Halls.
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Date: 27-JUN-1989 10:28:39 GMT
From: RJ_MARGOLIS@UK.AC.OPEN.ACS.VAX
Subject: RE: UKTeX V89 #23
Sender: JANET"RJ_MARGOLIS@UK.AC.OPEN.ACS.VAX" <RJ_MARGOLIS@UK.AC.OPEN.ACS.VAX>
Peter,
I have been working on Klaus Thull's (excellent) PublicTeX stuff and now
have an even 'larger' version with hash_size=3500. (We have an IMMENSE macro
package for assignment booklet preparation.) I have also tackled on or two
items on his 'wish list' including the inline code for memdiv/memmod, some
improvement in the dump/undump speeds and commandline/configuration file
configuring of directories etc. The change file has been updated to compile
under Turbo Pascal 5.0. I am currently testing the stuff at the OU but anyone
who wants a beta-test version can have it if they send 5 discs. (I am reluctant)
to put a partly tested version in your archives). They will get executables
etc but NOT printer drivers.
Bob Margolis\
SNAIL MAIL: 12a, Wyndham Close, Yateley, Camberley, Surrey, GU17 7TT.
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Subject: texserver return path
I can confirm that putting your user name in capitals in a texserver request
gets a reply !!! Over the past 6 months I have very occasionally got replies
to requests to texserver --- initially while I found the polarity of my
mail address. Recently I have been assuming that with the current
re-organisation it just wasn't working. But yesterday I tried
>---
>DES@uk.co.inmos
>DIRECTORY [PUBLIC]
and got my first reply in several weeks ;-) ;-)
Can someone *please* fix this as typing your user name in upper case is
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Subject: Re: Graphics in TeX
Reply-To: ken@edu.rochester.cs
In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 16 Jan 89 15:56:05 -0500.
X-Uucp: ..!rochester!ken Internet: ken@cs.rochester.edu
X-Snail: CS Dept., U of Roch., NY 14627. Voice: Ken!
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 89 05:02:09 -0400
From: Ken Yap <ken@edu.rochester.cs>
> Computer Graphics and TeX -- A Challenge
> by
> David F. Rogers
> dfr@usna.mil
I've refrained from commenting on this document for a while because
I've not been doing anything with graphics recently. However today a
user query prompted me to write this note.
The user in question wanted to know if he could get a bigger version of
TeX (huge TeX is standard here). 256k words is not enough, he said.
Well you can compile a bigger version, said I, but what were you trying
to do? Oh, just printing a graph generated with grap and awk. It uses
lots of \circles*. Only 5500 lines, said he nonchalantly. TeX should
be able to handle that shouldn't it? (For non-Unix users, grap is a
x-y plot frontend and awk is a string processing language.)
Which brings me to the point of this note. After death and taxes, it is
certain that users will stretch your software to the limit. In every
case that a user here has managed to get the out of memory message
(except for runaway macros), graphics was involved, but especially x-y
plots. It has always irked me that TeX has to waste all that memory
and CPU time processing entities that have no textual content. The user
in question could have turned his graph into a PostScript diagram and
psfig would have happily digested it, no matter how rich the graph.
Device dependence, I hear DFR protest. So what? The point is, we may
establish a graphical macro standard, but it will be stillborn because
nobody will be able to draw anything but toy graphics with it. Let's
face it, don't try to make TeX do things it wasn't suited for. Let it
position boxes on the page, instead of spending its time constructing
lists of points whose positions are already specified anyway. With all
due respect for Knuth's achievement, I genuinely believe the time has
come to incorporate TeX typesetting in a more encompassing model of
document layout.
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Subject: OzTeX 1.1
Changes to version 1.0
======================
- Added "Changes" to the Help menu.
- Added support for MultiFinder.
- Fixed bug that prevented OzTeX reading or writing files on other disks.
- Fixed bug that caused a spectacular crash if OzTeX couldn't open the current
printer resource file.
- Certain fatal errors ("not enough memory" or "disk full") no longer leave
files open.
- Added a new "Include Laser Prep" check box option to the print dialogue.
This simplifies the inclusion of a modified Laser Prep when printing a DVI
file with \specials that refer to Mac-generated PostScript files.
If this option is selected then OzTeX appends LaserPrep.ps to DVItoPS.ps.
The option's default setting is specified in Oz.config.
- The names of OzTeX's special folders and files are now defined in Oz.config
rather than in STR resources.
- When printing a DVI file, OzTeX's PostScript output starts with DVItoPS.ps.
This and other PostScript files now begin with "%!" as recommended
in Appendix C of Adobe's PostScript Language Reference Manual.
- Added MENU resources to the OzTeX application so people can use a resource
editor to change the Command-key equivalents to suit themselves.
Note that I changed the location of Command-P, Command-T and Command-W.
- Shift-Command-W will bypass the view dialogue box and display the most
recently viewed DVI page (or page 1 if used first time).
- You can now print or preview an OzTeX DVI file from the Finder.
Use "Print" in the Finder's File menu to print a selected DVI file
or "Open" (or double-click) to preview it.
- Modified TEXTtoPS.ps so that 8-bit Macintosh characters print correctly.
- Updated the OzTeX User Guide and completed the OzTeX System Guide.
To update OzTeX from version 1.0 to 1.1 you need to replace the following
files and folders: OzTeX, Oz.config, Build-OzTeX, Sources, TeX-sources,
LaTeX-docs, Help-files and PS-files.
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From: <zrkh001@EARN.DTUZDV5A> (Harald Koenig)
Subject: RE: Exabyte tape
Dear Peter,
some days ago I got the exabyte tape back and tried to read it on our
CONVEX C210 running CONVEX UNIX 7.0 (BSD 4.2) using a exabyte drive connected
via a SCSI controller without success. I then read the tape on a uVAX
running VMS 5.1 and transfered it to the CONVEX (no problem).
Is this a known problem that exabyte tapes are not compatible between
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Date: 28-JUN-1989 11:04:59 GMT
From: SHW_X@UK.AC.LEICESTER
Subject: Syntax diagrams in Tex and Latex
In a past issue of TUGboat, vol:2, no:3, there was
a listing of some macros to do syntax diagrams in TeX,
"Charting Your Grammar With TeX" by Michael Plass. The
macros went under the name SynChart.tex.
Has anyone got these macros or similar ones which can
be used in LaTeX or TeX.
Thanks in advance.
Hugo Korwaser
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Date: 29-JUN-1989 11:39:46 GMT
From: CENSWM@UK.AC.HW.VAXB
Subject: Beebes DVIJEP and Site Licence for PC-TeX
I have two questions for TeX people:
1) I am attempting to compile and link Beebes DVIJEP on our VAX running
VMS, I am getting a link error saying cannot find file ECHOALL.OBJ. I
can see not trace of this file on the archive, has it been removed by
mistake or am I doing something silly?
2) One of the departments here wants to purchase 10 copies of PC TeX, we
wonder if there is a site licence deal? I can find nothing via CHEST,
anyone out there with any info?
Thanks
Stuart Munn
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From: Tim Bradshaw <tim@uk.ac.ed.eusip>
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 89 11:27:46 GMT
Message-Id: <12605.8906291127@hume.eusip.ed.ac.uk>
Subject: Interpress
X-Organisation: Centre for Speech Technology, University of Edinburgh
We have a Xerox Laserprinter, which speaks interpress. Does anyone
know of a dvi -> ip driver. It really would need to be in C.
--Tim
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"Which follows the preceeding, and treats of matters that must
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and distinct."
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Date: Fri, 30 JUN 89 12:33:00 BST
From: CHAA006@UK.AC.RHBNC.VAXB
Subject: Euro-TeX Digest --- Issue 2
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Reply-to: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) <P.Taylor@Uk.Ac.Rhbnc.Vaxb>
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 89 15:11:04 CET
From: Fritz Zaucker <F48@EARN.DHDURZ1>
Subject: TeX for OS-9
Hi TeXer,
does anybody know about a TeX implementation for the OS-9 operating
system?
Bye
Fritz Zaucker
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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 89 12:18:00 N
From: Ulrich Mueller <ULM@EARN.CRVXP173>
Subject: Re: TeX for OS-9
Hello TeX friends,
At June 26th, Fritz Zaucker asked:
> does anybody know about a TeX implementation for the OS-9 operating
> system?
We implemented Common TeX (V2.1) under OS-9 at Mainz, including a device
driver for the atari SLM804 laser printer. We also ported the atari `dvist'
previewer from TOS to OS-9. The initex and virtex programs are running
under OS-9 V2.2 on an Eltec Eurocom 5.
Best regards
Ulrich M\"uller
Inst. f. Kernphysik CERN
Postfach 3980 Div. EP
D-6500 Mainz CH-1211 Geneva 23
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