TeXhax Digest Monday, April 20, 1987 Volume 87 : Issue 29 This weeks Editor: Malcolm Brown Today's Topics: %% Score TeXhax files moving (next door) Euler fonts Sending TeX to Italy TeX vs. Mac :-) Mac WEB testers, please note... Re: two LaTeX problems (one LaTeX answer) Re: including program source in TeX documents undump for Encore Need Hebrew Fonts ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4/20/87 From: Malcolm Subject: Score TeXhax files moving (next door) %% It's been requested that all files associated with TeXhax digest move %% out of the directory at Score and into a subdirectory, namely %% . This seems to make sense, so a migration is underway. %% %% Between now and the end of April, all TeXhax files will move to the %% subdirectory. The 1986 issues have been moved there already. The name %% of these files has been altered slightly so that they conform to the %% name used for the 1987 issues: %% texhaxn.86 %% where "n" is a number between 01 and 15 (there were only 15 issues in %% 1986). %% %% This change will be of importance only to those who might use FTP to %% transfer TeXhax files from Score. You can log on as "anonymous", and %% then GET a file under the name TEXHAXnn.87, where "nn" is %% the issue number. %% %% This change does not affect those on BITNET using TEX-L. If anyone %% has trouble accessing the files in their new habitat, please send %% mail to texhax-request. Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 87 14:16:03 PST From: To: TEXHAX@score.stanford.edu Subject: Euler fonts Received: by TAMVM1 (Mailer X1.23b) id 6149; Wed, 15 Apr 87 14:47:52 CDT Date: Wed, 15 Apr 87 14:28:45 CDT From: "Glenn L. Vanderburg" Subject: Euler fonts To: TeXhax digest I've just received the April issue of TUGboat, and I'm pleased; it's the most interesting and informative issue I've seen. From the articles in it, it appears that TeX is maturing quite nicely, with an active user community cooperating to solve serious, interesting problems. One thing I was particularly interested in was my first glimpse at the Euler fonts (pg. 77). I have been hearing about them for about two years, but I'd never seen them, and I've never heard anything about their availability. Are the Euler fonts currently available? If so, from whom and do they cost anything? We have the AMS math symbol fonts (msym, msxm, mcyr), but not the Eulers, and the sample in TUGboat looked very nice. Any info would be appreciated. Glenn L. Vanderburg %%%% Barbara Beeton replies: the american math society will be making the euler fonts available for low-resolution printers (at various resolutions) on floppy disks compatible with ibm pc and macintosh. the packaging is still in progress. (the euler fonts will be packaged along with the math society symbols and cyrillic.) for more information, call the math society, 401-272-9500, and ask for paul martin or taissa kusma. or write to the "tex library", american math society, p o box 6248, providence, ri 02906. -- barbara beeton ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 87 21:54:33 EDT From: Charlie Martin To: texhax@score.stanford.edu Subject: Sending TeX to Italy Is there any restriction on sending a copy of the TeX distribution to Italy? Thanks, Charlie Martin (crm@cs.duke.edu,mcnc!duke!crm) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 87 15:19:49 n To: TEXHAX@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU From: Subject: TeX vs. Mac :-) A recent small exchange with Barbara Beeton prompts me to throw the following question open to the wider TeXHaX community. Knuth's attempts to create a computer typesetting system are clearly oriented toward booksetting, and the handling of scientific texts. That said, there is an underlying `algorithm' used by TeX which is obviously capable of being used (perhaps with some difficulty) to typeset any document at all - I refer of course to the treatment of the page as a series of vertical and horizontal boxes, glued together. This, it seems to me, is the core of TeX. Given this core algorithm (forgive my misunderstanding if it exists!), it is of interest to me to wonder about the future development of TeX in the context of the ever-increasing range of `desk top publishing' software available for the ubiquitous Mac. My non-TeX-using friends throw up their hands in horror when I answer `yes' to the question "Oh, so you mean its a post-processor system ?", and I cower in abject user-friendly inferiority when they show me the Mac DTP packages that leave them free of ever inserting a single backslash..... "But!.." I cry, "TeX is a better typesetter than the Aldus Pagemaker will ever be!", and pray that my lack of familiarity with that system does not invalidate this claim. Nonetheless, I'm left noting the *terrible* user-interface that TeX (or any of its macropackage-boosted derivatives) offer: fancy having to *insert* commands in your text - I just want to tell the machine "do this!" with a mouse and a menu, and leave it at that... Ok, so VorTeX, The Publisher, MacTeX and so forth promise or offer an improvement in such things, but I'm left wondering - will the ultimate version of TeX, and the ultimate DTP Mac package be indistinguishable ? And so, I come back to the core of TeX - boxes for layout. I don't know how Aldus or Ready, Set, Go etc. do their stuff - they might use boxes, might not (what else is there ?). If they don't, then my question (at last!) is: are alternative approaches to page layout/typesetting capable of equivalent or improved results over TeX. (I mean, Knuth might have been lucky, or he might not...) ? Alternatively, if they do use a similar mechanism then why are we using TeX at all ? Under such circumstances, it seems to me that all rightminded people should be pushing forward the capabilities of an already wonderful interface, instead of trying to graft one onto a system that cannot, in priniple, outclass its Mac-competititors. Or maybe the latter is an easier task - if so, why haven't we got the WYSIWYG, menu driven TeX system that we deserve already.... I desire to be converted back to the true path, but there's a lot of work to be done... how about trying it, or if not, lets hear your support for kicking TeX out of the era of university mainframes and into the era of laserprinters, digitizers and WIMP's. Sadly, I don't know how... Paul Davis embl, postfach 10.2209, 6900 heidleberg, frg. bit - davis@embl arpa - davis%embl.bitnet@wiscvm.wisc.edu uucp - ...!psuvax1!embl.bitnet!davis "I got my math mode fonts working - and yes psmtimr beats cmr any day!!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 87 23:07:01 PST From: To: TeXhax@score.stanford.edu Subject: Mac WEB testers, please note... Date: Thu, 16 Apr 87 00:49 CDT From: (Scott T. Boyd) Subject: Mac WEB testers, please note... To: TeXhax@score.stanford.edu X-Original-To: TeXhax@score.stanford.edu, BOYD -- MacWEAVE & MacTANGLE testers alert -- If you have an interest in using the WEB system on your Macintosh, you might want to send us a diskette and a stamped, self-addressed envelope. Help us clean it up and we'll try to make it worth your while by sending you updates. There's also the possibility that you'll have a crack at testing yet another TeX implementation. Send either one 800K diskette and 22 cents on any envelope or send two 400K diskettes and more postage with any envelope. We'll send you sources and executables. You must already have the MPW Shell, which provides a powerful editing and execution environment. The MPW Shell isn't too expensive and is worthy of anyone interested in literate programming, and makes our job _much_ easier. Please include e-mail addresses, phone numbers, and other ways we might communicate. scott t. boyd The MacHax(tm) Group 3420D Sandra Bryan, TX 77801 (409) 846-4102 [2pm-midnight Central] p.s. MPW can be obtained through APDA at 206/251-6548. ------------------------------ Date: Thu 16 Apr 87 11:03:03-PDT From: Joseph I. Pallas Subject: Re: two LaTeX problems (one LaTeX answer) To: TeXhax@Score.Stanford.EDU Actually, I did find the answer to David's question about letter closings. I guess my note to him got lost. Here's what it said: I think this comes under the heading of ``undocumented feature.'' The letter style apparently has this notion that there are two kinds of letters, personal and professional. It distinguishes between them on the basis of whether an address for the sender has been specified. The idea is supposed to be that a standard letterhead is being used if no address is given. In the case where the institutional letterhead is being used, the closing does not get indented. I couldn't begin to tell you whether that reflects some kind of accepted standard for letters or not. All I know is what I read in the code. joe ------------------------------ To: texhax@score.stanford.edu Subject: Re: including program source in TeX documents Date: Thu, 16 Apr 87 14:23:21 -0500 From: Ken Yap Several people have asked about including program source in TeX documents. I believe the most general approach is to use a utility like tgrind (TeX analog of vgrind). One specifies the language to be processed (so that tgrind can detect keywords). Tgrind converts tabs into the appropriate spacing (generates things like \tab{24} for 3 tabs), boldens keywords, prints quoted strings in typewriter font, prints comments in italics, and other nice things. All these goodies are customizable. This requires an extra pass, but the preprocessing is quite fast. Tgrind is on the Unix TeX tape, in the directory TeXcontrib/van. It was written by Van Jacobson of LBL. Unfortunately it is Unix specific, but I think equivalents for other OS are no problem. Heck, just take your favourite pretty-printer and generate TeX instead of prettified output. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 87 15:17:07 PDT From: holub%violet.Berkeley.EDU@berkeley.edu To: texhax@score.stanford.edu Hi. I've a LaTeX-related problem that I hope someone out there has an answer to. Put simply, I want to create a book that has the same format as Leslie Lamport's LaTeX reference manual. That is, I want the headers and figures to be the full page width, but I want the normal text to be offset on the page, with a narrow gutter and a relatively wider outer margin. An odd-numbered page would look like this: +--------------------------------+ | header....................page | | | | text text text text text | | +----------------------------+ | | | | | | | This is a figure | | | | | | | +----------------------------+ | | text text text text text | | text text text text text | | text text text text text | | text text text text text | | text text text text text | | text text text text text | | text text text text text | | | +--------------------------------+ and an even-numbered page like this: +--------------------------------+ | page....................header | | | | text text text text text | | +----------------------------+ | | | | | | | This is a figure | | | | | | | +----------------------------+ | | text text text text text | | text text text text text | | text text text text text | | text text text text text | | text text text text text | | | +--------------------------------+ The figures must be allowed to float, as usual. To make matters more complicated, it would be nice, though not essential, if figures narrower than the text area were centered in the text area. That is, they'd normally be centered relative to the text but would bleed into the outer margin when they got too wide. How can I do this with the LaTeX macros or how can I modify them to do it for me? If anyone can suggest a solution to this problem, I'll be eternally grateful. - Allen Holub holub@violet.berkeley.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 87 16:18:31 CST From: grunwald@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Dirk Grunwald) To: TeXhax@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU Subject: undump for Encore I think I have a working updump program for the Encore Multimax series. It's based in part on the NYU 3b2 COFF-compatible undump. I've tested it for small C programs, but I only have CTex 2.0 to test it on & it doesn't work for that because CTex doesn't clean up the stdio library before it uses it. Inquiries welcome. Dirk Grunwald grunwald@m.cs.uiuc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 87 05:13:41 pst From: Dean Forbes To: TeXhax-Request@score.stanford.edu Subject: Need Hebrew Fonts I am in the process of converting from troff to LaTeX and urgently need a set of publication-quality Hebrew fonts (preferably including full pointing) to complete the task. ------------------------------ %% %%\bye %% End of TeXhax Digest **************************