UKTeX Digest Friday, 13 Nov 1992 Volume 92 : Issue 42 ``The UKTeX Digest is brought to you as a free, unfunded and voluntary service of the UK TeX Users Group and the UK TeX Archive.'' Today's Topics: {Q&A}: EmTeX texps.pro Footnotes to LaTeX tables Re: Footnotes to LaTeX tables Re: UKTeX/TeXhax Re: UKTeX/TeXhax porting common-tex to the mac Bring back hanging Re: Problems generating AMSfonts under emTeX. (fwd) another gem \lim, \max, etc Administrivia: Moderators: Peter Abbott (Aston University) and David Osborne (University of Nottingham) Contributions: UKTeX@uk.ac.tex Administration, subscription and unsubscription requests: UKTeX-request@uk.ac.tex ------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 16:59:00 +0000 From: "Brian H. Sumida" Subject: EmTeX I have been trying to install emtex on my PC but have not been able to discover where the `fli', or even the `pxl', files reside on the archive. I have tried unsuccesfully to examine the home base of emtex @rusinfo.rus.uni-stuttgart.de for these font files. Sorry to bother you with what must be a silly, if not FAQ, question. B. H. Sumida University of Oxford Department of Zoology ------------------------------ Date: 05 Nov 92 11:53:56 +0000 From: bsrae@uk.ac.warwick.csv Subject: texps.pro I've successfully installed FoilTeX to go with my emTeX/dvips installation, but dvips is asking for "texps.pro" when converting some files. The dvips installation I got from your site only had "texc.pro" and "special.pro" in it, and I can no longer find dvips, or the 386 betas I downloaded from you a few days ago, anywhere on the archive. Do you know where I can find this file? Dave Lockwood - UNIX MAINFRAME bsrae@csv.warwick.ac.uk PG TEACHING PCs orsdl@cleaver.wbs.warwick.ac.uk STAFF PCs orsdl@razor.wbs.warwick.ac.uk RESEARCH PCs lockwo.d@razor.wbs.warwick.ac.uk { The file texps.pro is created from texps.lpro by removing the comments using the `squeeze' program in EmTeX; texps.lpro is in the UK TeX Archive. --Ed. } ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 15:58:46 +0000 From: David_Rhead@uk.ac.nottingham.ccc.vme Subject: Footnotes to LaTeX tables Jack Levy asked about how to get a footnote at the bottom of a LaTeX table (tabular environment), positioned at the left edge of the table, rather than the left of the page I don't think that LaTeX 2.09's treatment of such footnotes ("put the table in a minipage, and the footnotes will go at the bottom of the minipage") is very good (because you don't know what width the minipage needs to be until you've typeset the table). I generally ignore the LaTeX 2.09 treatment. To get things that look right (i.e., look as Jack and the style-books say they should) I resort to things like the following: * typeset the table into a box * measure the width of the box * bring the table out of the box and put it in the document * typeset the notes in something that is declared to have the same width as the box. I haven't had time to parcel this up into any nice macros that protect the end-user from the sordid details, but have mailed Jack an example file that shows how it can be done. (It's too long to post to the digest, and too much of a stopgap to offer to any archive.) David Rhead ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 09:42:01 +0000 From: David Shepherd Subject: Re: Footnotes to LaTeX tables Jack Levy has said: > Can anyone tell me how to get a footnote at the bottom of a LaTeX table > (tabular environment), positioned at the left edge of the table, rather > than the left of the page? For example: > > +----------------+----------------+ > | | | > | Chalk | 123.89 | > | | | > +----------------+----------------+ > | 1 | | > | Cheese | 98.45 | > | | | > +----------------+----------------+ > 1 Danish Blue > > > There's an example of such a table in the LaTeX book on page 162, but I've > tried all sorts of combinations of minipages, \footnotemarks and > \footnotetexts without success. stick the table in a minipage environment. this will give the behaviour you want ... except that the default footnote mark in this context is 'a' and not '1'! david shepherd: des@inmos.co.uk or des@inmos.com tel: 0454-616616 x 625 inmos ltd, 1000 aztec west, almondsbury, bristol, bs12 4sq 1992: celebrate the quincentenary of columbus getting lost ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 09:25:41 +0700 From: "R.A.Reese" Subject: Re: UKTeX/TeXhax How does one decide whether to send to UKTeX or TeXhax? (R.) Allan Reese Janet: r.a.reese@uk.ac.hull Head of Applications Direct voice: +44 482 465296 Computer Centre Voice messages: +44 482 465685 Hull University Fax: +44 482 466441 Hull HU6 7RX, U.K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 11:24:25 +0000 From: David Osborne Subject: Re: UKTeX/TeXhax In your message of 9 Nov 92 9:25:41 +0700, you said: > How does one decide whether to send to UKTeX or TeXhax? Good question! In general, UKTeX is intended to serve the needs of the UK TeX community and carries questions mainly from UK-based subscribers. There's a definite slant towards the UK TeX Archive at Aston, which helps to act as a focus for the digest. TeXhax's brief is wider, as most subscribers are outside the UK. Like UKTeX, it carries general TeX enquiries but also announcements relating to other archives outside the UK. To answer your question, it all depends on the content of your message. Questions/comments on the UK TeX Archive belong in UKTeX, as do general TeX enquiries and announcements, particularly if they have a UK slant. Non-UK-specific items can be sent to TeXhax. The choice is yours. ~~David Osborne (UKTeX Digest editor) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 23:23:45 +0000 From: Paul McIlroy Subject: porting common-tex to the mac I have attempted to port common-tex to the mac so as to escape the 65535 word limit imposed by OzTex. It compiles OK with THINK-C 5.0.3 and 4-byte integers, but crashes in a way which suggests that there stray pointers or the like flying around somewhere. Do any of you good folks know if anyone has succeded in porting common-tex to the Mac, or otherwise allowing large TeX files to be processed ? I never generate Tex files myself, but sometimes get ones written by other academics which are too large to process using OzTeX. Many thanks, Paul McIlroy (pmcilroy@bt-sys.bt.co.uk) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 14:57:14 +0700 From: "R.A.Reese" Subject: Bring back hanging % Question - what causes the following command to not operate? % From a quick reading of the TeXbook, I'd call it a bug - there's no % reason for the begin-group to affect the change to horizontal mode. \everypar{\hang} This paragraph is a hanging paragraph. Each line after the first is set in by the parindent. Since I didn't change the default, so is the first line. In other words it's a rectangle. {\bf This} paragraph should be similar to the first, but it is not. For some reason I don't understand, starting the paragraph with a brace has stopped the everypar working. So this comes out as a standard paragraph, first line indented, rest flush with left margin. If I just put the font-change command at the start, not in a group, the paragraph hangs again. This {\bf paragraph} does come out hanging, similar to the first. So it is the group character at the point of switching to horizontal mode that causes the problem. Can anyone explain? \bye (R.) Allan Reese ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 09:49:11 +0700 From: R.A.Reese"R.A.Reese" Subject: Re: Problems generating AMSfonts under emTeX. (fwd) I got the MFs from Aston a couple of months ago, so the implication is please at least delete the out of date files and maybe fetch the new ones. Forwarded message: > Date: 10 Nov 1992 16:03:12 -0500 (EST) > From: AMS Technical Support > Subject: Re: Problems generating AMSfonts under emTeX. > > The Metafont errors which you report with AMSFonts were fixed with the > release of AMSFonts version 2.1 in July 1991. > > If the Aston archive does in fact still have version 2.0 posted, they should > remove it and post version 2.1. I believe that Stuttgart > (rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de) has version 2.1 posted, and in any case the mos t > reliable place to get the files is our own archive, e-math.ams.org, on > Internet, in the directory /ams/amsfonts/sources and its subdirectories. > > Sincerely, > > Neil Bartholomew > Technical Support > American Mathematical Society > Phone: 800-321-4AMS (321-4267) or 401-455-4080 > Internet: TECH-SUPPORT@MATH.AMS.ORG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 10:39:26 +0700 From: "R.A.Reese" Subject: another gem Fell flat on my face twice yesterday with the same basic problem. Here's an input - can you see what will go wrong? % The following are a few lines extracted from a worksheet. I've cut out a % few tricks so you won't see the unnecessary complications. \newcount\Comno \Comno=0 \def\Com#1{\advance\Comno by 1% \indent\llap{\hbox{{\sevenrm\the\Comno}. $\Longrightarrow$\enspace}}{\tt #1}} % Commands are embedded in the text of a worksheet. Students need them % heavily flagged, and I want a reference number to talk them through it. \Com{copy a:boxes.sys t:} \Com{spsspc t:} \Com{get /file='boxes.sys'.} % ... etc. \Com{finish.} \Com{copy t:spss.lis a:job1.lis} {\parfillskip 0pt \Com{list t:spss.lis}\hfill (ESC takes you back to DOS) } \Com{hprint \sp\ t:spss.lis} % ... etc. \bye The problem? The "Comno" increments correctly for all lines except one. So I got a funny sheet with one number repeated - despite having "a computer" do the counting. The explanation? I should have put \global\advance in the macro. However, it worked generally because the macro expands WITHOUT the braces at its start and end. So the \advance was at the "top level" except where I had enclosed the \Com in another set of braces to get a full line. Why am I displaying this incompetence? Firstly, because it does no harm to admit mistakes, especially when they are a consequence of the system (cf. W.E.Deming). Secondly because this looks to me like one of those decisions DEK made in the mid seventies and got wrong. Scoping is fine but TeX's rules are not the same as proper scoping in an algorithmic language. If you "declare a variable" it stays in scope for all inferior blocks unless the name has been reused. TeX is following the Fortran tradition here where variables are implicitly local unless made global. Not being a Pascal or C expert, I can't quote the exact definition in either of these languages, but I thought they were both block structured. TeX seems to be the worst case (for tripping up innocents): a local copy of the current value is made on entry to the block rather than creating a local variable which would be undefined, and the changed value is thrown away on exit from the block without any warning. Is this worth discussing? (R.) Allan Reese ------------------------------ Date: 11 Nov 92 16:49:10 +0000 From: M.Piff@uk.ac.sheffield Subject: \lim, \max, etc I was surprised to find recently that \max, \min, \lim, \limsup, etc are set in plain TeX and LaTeX without limits in text maths mode. Not having been on an analysis course for some years, I was unaware of this fact until now. Are there ANY mathematicians who would place {n\to\infty} as a SUBSCRIPT on \lim? I would be very surprised. Similarly for \max. I would suggest that the \limits should be given explicitly for these operators at least. \def\lim{\mathop{\operator@font lim}\limits} \def\limsup{\mathop{\operator@font lim\,sup}\limits} \def\liminf{\mathop{\operator@font lim\,inf}\limits} \def\max{\mathop{\operator@font max}\limits} \def\min{\mathop{\operator@font min}\limits} \def\sup{\mathop{\operator@font sup}\limits} \def\inf{\mathop{\operator@font inf}\limits} (Substitute \rm in plain TeX.) On another point, in NFSS the private command \operator@font is used in operators. Could I suggest that a PUBLIC command be used, so that the casual user can easily define his own operators? (I am assuming that LaTeX3 will not appear for some considerable time, eg, 2 years.) 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